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davidbromage



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:28 am    Post subject: Commercial Street Reply with quote

A magnificent small exhibition layout by Gavin Thrum in South Australia. It depicts a fictional suburban branch line around Port Adelaide in the 1950s and early 1960s. These photographs were uploaded by the owner.

Overview
http://goo.gl/8Ru8MD
http://goo.gl/YdOAuQ
http://goo.gl/veDbJa

Rx class (built 1886) shunting a local goods.
http://goo.gl/QGwA85

F class (built 1902) shunting a local goods.
http://goo.gl/slMtxZ

930 class diesel (Alco DL500) shunting a local goods.
http://goo.gl/0Fd67l

Rx on a local passenger train.
http://goo.gl/hw9bD5

S class (built 1894) on a local passenger train. This is how the SAR's once premier express passenger locomotives ended their days.
http://goo.gl/eA1Sxh
http://goo.gl/2FaK3B

700 class (built 1926) departing on a goods. The South Australian Railways were terribly British until 1923 when the new Commission William Webb looked to US practice and dictated "big power".
http://goo.gl/QrUqbk

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steve



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the gauge, 5ft 3in?

Nice layout.

steve
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Jordan



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is remarkable how 'British' it looks, yet with enough differences to realise it's not a British place.
Considering the influence of British railway practise across the world years ago, makes it all the more surprising how 'insular' many British railway enthusiasts and modellers are - not even having a look at stuff that they see as "Foreign", even though much of it was built in the UK!!!
Thanks for posting!
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ruedetropal



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice layout. I agree at what you say about insular nature of many UK based modellers. Odd given that anyone building current scene would be running models of trains built overseas!
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davidbromage



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve wrote:
What's the gauge, 5ft 3in?

It's HO but the prototype rollingstock was 5'3".

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Jordan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruedetropal wrote:
nice layout. I agree at what you say about insular nature of many UK based modellers. Odd given that anyone building current scene would be running models of trains built overseas!

How very true!!! Laughing
There was a News item on TV here recently - a new high-speed train from Hitachi was being unloaded at Southampton Docks, & some woman was being interviewed - presumably the local MP -and she was raving about how wonderful it was that trains were going to be built in Britain again. The TV Reporter pulled her up - "you mean 'assembled' in Britain".... Rolling Eyes
Apparently Hitachi are sending the rest of these trains over as components to be put together.... ah, that'll be a "kit", then.... Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the idea of full sized kits is nothing new. Britain used to export many machines like this including railway items and road vehicles.
Citroen used to have a factory at Slough which assembled cars. Many of our factories now import many of the parts they use. Car engines are built/assembled here then exported to other car factories to complete car assembly.
What some MPs would be cheering is not the job creation but the reduction of people unemployed, as I am sure the jobs created are not as high skilled as the traditional engineering/manufacturing jobs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davidbromage wrote:
steve wrote:
What's the gauge, 5ft 3in?

It's HO but the prototype rollingstock was 5'3".

Cheers
David

There's a 5'3" gauge loco in the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry. At first glance it's not obviously broad gauge. Only when you look underneath and spot the dual gauge track that it's standing on does the difference become apparent.

So using HO for BG isn't really that bad. It's certainly no worse than using OO for SG anyway. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackcloud Railways wrote:
davidbromage wrote:
steve wrote:
What's the gauge, 5ft 3in?

It's HO but the prototype rollingstock was 5'3".

Cheers
David

There's a 5'3" gauge loco in the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry. At first glance it's not obviously broad gauge. Only when you look underneath and spot the dual gauge track that it's standing on does the difference become apparent.

So using HO for BG isn't really that bad. It's certainly no worse than using OO for SG anyway. Wink

I've been on the trains in Northern Ireland - again the wider gauge isn't that apparent from the lineside. It's 6.5 inches wider than SG; OO Gauge is narrower than scale by about the same margin.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know that Gavin Thrum had a blog. More photos of Commercial Street here: http://thrumlington.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/commercial-road-1960s-south-australian.html

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks very nice, well thought out modelling and composition of scene. Great to see something "different" but at the same time so familiar!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually a lot of people model Irish Railways in 00 gauge thats a scale 1' 1 1/2" too narrow.

Another option would be to use EM gauge (18.2mm) track and HO scale, which is more or less exact. At least you would have the option of ready made track.

Does anyone know people using the above combination to model 5'3" broad gauge?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a try at modelling 5ft 3in in 3mm/ft using 16.5mm gauge track. It is only 3in too wide. I re-wheeled a Triang Jinty but got no further and sold of what I had done.
There are a number of people modelling Irish railways using 21mm gauge. If you are building your own track and scratchbuilding locos and stock it is not that difficult. Not for me though. I think you can even buy 21mm gauge wheels.
It should be noted that some stock running on Irish railways is ex British standard gauge so coach bodies are narrower than stock built for 5ft 3in. The 2-6-0 locos in effect the same as the SECR/SE locos were re-gauged.
I have seen articles about Australian railway models with both standard and broad gauge in HO, using 16.5mm and EM gauge track, and the difference is very visible.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRACKED wrote:

Another option would be to use EM gauge (18.2mm) track and HO scale, which is more or less exact. At least you would have the option of ready made track.

Does anyone know people using the above combination to model 5'3" broad gauge?

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Yes! There's at least one layout on the UK exhibition circuit which does, although it's Australian rather than Irish.......I think the layout's called Broadfield, it has standard 16.5mm tracks as well as broad gauge and the difference is quite obvious with the two side by side.
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