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allegheny1600



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject: Modelling Prussian railways in H0 Reply with quote

Hi All,
Progress on my layout "Irgendwo" (somewhere!) has been glacially slow I'm afraid.
Mum-in-law being terminally ill, dad-in-law not much better, business steady and helping out with my club - all contribute and take their toll.
However, I'm finally making progress on rolling stock, may I introduce certain items on here?

I've recently completed a large amount of horse trading with an old friend that sees me acquire much of his Prussian stock in exchange for my Bavarian stock, not to mention some reading matter. Here is my 'new' Trix T3 along with some Fleischmann coaches;





CC my very good friend Doug and seen on his layout, Alte Rinkham.
Apparently, the T3 originated between 1881 and 1910 and on the Prussian railways, they numbered some 1345 examples in total. This particular version (431 examples) was built between 1895 and 1905, the Fleischmann version (which I also have!) only numbered 52 copies. There are only some quite minor differences between the two types, mainly around the water tank.
This loco should be capable of hauling a good 36 axles on the flat, this one may need some attention as it seemed distressed at pulling more than 10 axles and very little up Dougies 3% slopes! It squealed at trying such a grade so was hurriedly assigned to a flat route.
Despite that, I am very pleased with it although I have read that it's rigid chassis* causes hesitation, it ran smoothly enough, only baulking at occasional dirty spots which were soon rectified.
Hopefully, I can show more items as time goes on?
Cheers,
John.

*For which, I have a cunning plan.
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giles b



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John,

Good to see a new thread being started; they're few and far between these days. Hope to see more of your vintage German stock, and also that rather nice layout in the future. Interesting to see Profitrack (or at least, I think it is) painted and incorporated into loose ballast. Best of all worlds - no ballast in the flangeways but a natural look to the area between parallel tracks!

Giles
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, two layouts with the same name. For the other "Irgendwo" - in "HOe" built by Gerbrand Haans - see

(i) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOs7NwG1Neo from 9.34-11.50

(ii) https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.gerbrandhaans.nl/index.php/vorige-banen&prev=search

I think it has also been published in CM.

CP

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giles b wrote:
Hi John,

Good to see a new thread being started; they're few and far between these days. Hope to see more of your vintage German stock, and also that rather nice layout in the future. Interesting to see Profitrack (or at least, I think it is) painted and incorporated into loose ballast. Best of all worlds - no ballast in the flangeways but a natural look to the area between parallel tracks!

Giles

Thanks Giles,
Yes! I thought that I should try and contribute something on here, there is a lot of interesting stuff but few readers I fear.
I must get some more photos of my friends layout too, you are quite right - especially as it is shortly to be dismantled due to a house move. Quite right about the Profitrack too - I think it will be used again.
Cheers,
John.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cp409067 wrote:
Hmm, two layouts with the same name. For the other "Irgendwo" - in "HOe" built by Gerbrand Haans - see

(i) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOs7NwG1Neo from 9.34-11.50

(ii) https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.gerbrandhaans.nl/index.php/vorige-banen&prev=search

I think it has also been published in CM.

CP

Hi Christopher,
Thanks (I think!). I operate as much as reasonable on "Stummis", a very good German forum and there are plenty of "Irgendwo's" to be seen on there, it is simply the German for "Somewhere".
HTH,
John.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no great shakes as a cameraman but here is a little video I made recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wum6Zz44P4

I must add, this is on my good friends layout, Alte Rincham now sadly demolished due to moving house.
Cheers,
John.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,
Now that summer is finally over, I hope to start making some progress with this, along with other projects to come.
I have done very little with this layout since my last post but a couple of important things have happened.
I have managed to clear all the junk from on top of the layout that had imperceptibly built up over time. It is amazing how one just places something with the intention of sorting it later, then something else and before you know it, the layout is invisible and it has become merely a storage shelf, well no more!
A bit more messing with the track layout and I shall start glueing.
Also, I realised that "Irgendwo" (somewhere) is rather too common a name for me, I wanted something different. This fact was hammered home at the recent(ish) ERA show at Edgbaston where there were at least two other 'Irgendwo's. I've given this some thought since Christopher Payne mentioned it, above.
So! What to call this layout?
Trawls of the internet proved inconclusive and studies of online maps became brain numbing, then it dawned on me. A colleague had suggested that I place a statue outside my station of Fieldmarshall Blucher as he was instrumental in helping to defeat the French at Waterloo. Reading up on him, what a fascinating character he was. I've still not located a suitable figure of him to be my statue but I could pay tribute in another way.
Therefore, my new name for the layout is Leberecht!
As in Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher.
I think it sounds promising, how about you guys?
Cheers,
John.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two of my all-time favourite locos;


Weinert T9.3


Weinert T13

Both pictured rather incongruously on my American layout, in lieu of Leberecht being very unphotogenic.

I must admit - these are both ready to run items, not built by me but by the factory! I dearly wish I could claim that I have built them but no, I am not that good a modeller!
The T13 I won on German ebay after I had been selling off my American 0 scale brass(!), which was how I could afford it. Now, I did do some modelling with this one as when I got hold of it, it was seized up having been presumably sat in a display case for several years. I stripped it down, cleaned and degreased it and re-lubricated it and when it was working well, I digitized it - it is still a little noisy but runs very well.
The T9.3 I won at an actual auction for a fair price, it also came with a 'free' Weinert V65! This runs well enough but still needs digitising and as a mate said, could do with its lights making working.
Funnily enough, I also have two Fleischmann T9.3's and one Trix T13 - these will be for exhibition use as no way would I take the Weinerts to a show.
So, I am a bit of a chequebook modeller but only when it suits me - the Trix T13, in particular, is a far cry from the Weinert one.
Cheers,
John.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some progress, at last?
After building my baseboards, painting them and glueing on the initial underlay, modifying and fitting the turntable, I had come to a grinding halt. Family crises aside, such a delay can only be described as running out of steam!
Suddenly, my motivation and enthusiasm came back and I was able to contemplate the next job which is track laying.
I laid out some track, very loosely and pretty much according to my plans and I liked how it looked.
TRACK PICS






Next, I marked alongside the track for where the roadbed needs to go.
SKETCH PIC


Then, wouldn’t you know it? Late in the day, I discovered that my last bottle of ‘Copydex’ had dried up! So next day, off to the shops and resupplies purchased, in smaller bottles this time.
A couple of days work and the roadbed was more or less finished and I can start laying actual track.
ROADBED PIC.




I realised that it was pretty important to work out how to get power to traverser before laying any track so I set to and gave it some thought. The answer came to me in a flash of inspiration when I realised that I need two wires and I had two metal runners.
So, I soon made up some wires and connected it all together, a test run proved the concept worked although I don’t know if it will last well but I made a lot of connections to be as sure as possible.
TRAVERSER PICS





The traverser fully prepared for track.
Until next time,
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the traverser with all tracks glued down and electrical connections made,
1

With a train on and almost ready to go,
2

I had to reduce the track height at the entrance to the traverser very slightly so used some thin copper-clad sleepers and while I was at it, I added a re-railer section, I have tested it and it does work. This is only needed while I have not yet built a locking mechanism to keep each traverser track in perfect alignment with the exit track.
3

I don’t know if you can really see from this picture but the baseboard adjacent to the traverser, had suffered a slight distortion. It was simply too much up and down movement for my little trains to cope with so I cut out the entire foam roadbed out and inserted a finely sanded down piece of curved plywood in place, then re-laid the roadbed, it’s not absolutely level but much better now.
Serves me right for not using the very best plywood available.
4

As you can see from here, I still had to glue some thin strips of card under the track.
5

I believe that it is bad practice to cross baseboard joins on a curve?
6

Sadly, it was unavoidable here, I have used soldered copper-clad sleepers again to reinforce the crossing, I really hope that will be sufficient. At the moment, these are not cut through but they will have to be when the time comes to split the boards.
Thanks to a colleague on a forum who made the suggestion of having a removable section of track, this is how I plan to overcome this problem, probably the four copper-clad sleepers and four plastic ones on either side, complete with road bed and attached to a thin piece of plywood.
Cheers for now,
John.
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