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franckcombe



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:08 am    Post subject: Vestvagoy / A norway harbour at 1/13.7 scale Reply with quote

After Modelling the Woolacombe Bay at 1/13.7 scale, I start a new layout called Vestvagoy. A norway harbour at 1/13.7 scale located on the Vestvagoy in Lofoten Islands in the north of Norway.



It's a fictional railways. The rea is nowadays. The Track are 45 mm / 2 feet scale. The scale is 7/8 inch for one foot or 1/13.7
The railway system allows the fishermen to transport the fish and the fishing materials from the boat to the fishery

The layout measures 143 cm by 73 cm plus a fiddle yard on the left part of the layout of 93 cm by 73 cm (not shows on the photos). On the fiddle yard, I have 3 tracks that allow me to do various movements between the layout and the “rest of the world”. I run the layout from the front in order to be able to share and discuss with the visitors. I’m equipped for that with a DCC Wireless Infrared System to be able to move freely.

I will be able to utilized my fleet of locomotives of free lance locos and true English and german one like the Lister, the Ruston 20 HP and Ransom and Rapier.

The rolling stocks come from Bachmann, LGB, HLW and also entire scratch build ones.


The layout runs on DCC with an Spectrum EZ Command Control System Dynamis Wireless Infrared System. Each locomotive is equipped with a DCC decoder. The sound of the loco is also played under the layout with an Esu sound decoder plus a subwoofer and two satellites. In parallel, I play a CD on a CD player links also to another separate Hercules XPS2-135 system. The CD contains true sounds of waves mixed with seagulls, sterns, …

The boat and the building on the quay belong to Hansen Fisk company



I start the layout by the central element, the boat. I order the hull in vacuum plastic in UK (30 inches long) plus the accessories of another supplier in UK.

The boat will look like of a mix of that







Here the mock up of the layout at 1/5 scale of 1/13 scale (ie 1/65 scale)








The quay will be done in wood. On the quay, a crane from a truck will help to unload the fishes from the boat (crane from mackmouldings)




The only unknown element for me is how to do a calm sea. I never do that before and I have seen many techniques on internet. The key factor of success for this layout is the sea. I'm a little lost so if you can help me ?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure how it would work in the larger scale but you could try neat PVA applied as multiple coats over a painted base, with each application allowed to dry before the next is added.


Lochside is O scale, the waves are made by adding filler to the base before painting but you could make the water as still as a mill pond by just treating a flat plywood base.

BIG advantage over using resin for water - PVA does not smell nearly as bad while it is drying, so you can do your modelling in the house without upsetting anybody. Very Happy

You appear to be using the classic three track pointless design, will the fiddle yard be cassette or traverser? If it's a cassette you could introduce some vertical separation between the tracks, say have one of the sidings at a slightly different height than the other two for scenic interest.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting concept!

Modelling water isn't difficult. Here is a useful video from Woodland Scenics on water and water effects, naturally using their products. There is also an interesting article here on realistic sea bases for ship models. For a calm harbour you wouldn't add as many ripples, although being on the coast it wouldn't be perfectly flat.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been experimenting with a water based eco friendly glue called I-GLU. I bought loads for another project but it wasn't really suitable.
For my current APA boxed based modular layout(1/35 on 16.5mm track) I wanted a harbour scene, and there was just room to include some water.
I initially tried some left over wood varnish, which almost worked OK. Maybe if I had had more varnish, so I tried the green I-GLU. As it is green, it actually looks more water like, but you can see through it. I built up multi layers over the winter(it thus took longer to dry), but I think the results are quite good.
I also included a couple of small rowing boats(?) in the scene and the 'water' wrapped itself nicely round. By colouring the base, and adding small bits of 'rubbish' the effect is further improved. Hopefully will be able to post some pix soon. Not sure if it will capture the water effect well.
One thing I have found is that I-Glue dries like a latex layer so is a bit more flexible when dry. There is always a risk with something like resin cracking, and spoiling the effect, so using something with a bit of flexibility might prevent this.
One worry I have about finding the ideal product, is that I won't have enough to finish the job and can't get any more hen I need more.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as promised a picture of my water testing


not sure what the white streak is, this is a pretty dark area and flash does not improve image. I put a spot light on this area. The streak might be some paint I added on a lower layer of glue/water/

just to set the scene here is the overall module

shows how tricky to photo water closely
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank-you very much for the various advises and links.

I have to test it now.

I would like to know the brand name of I-Glue ?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I-GLU is the trade name. It is made specially for schools as it is totally safe for children to use. I think the company which market it are a school supplier in Birmingham. As far as I know its not available in shops, I bought a large quantity , at discount price from Ethical Superstore in Gateshead. I will start taking some to exhibitions, as I suspect it is used in quite a few schools.
Just tried to find it on Google, and having trouble. Suspect its like other things I have found, they disappear just after I have found them. Fortunately I still have enough.
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I have found this supplier. Not the one I originally found
http://www.educationsupplies.co.uk/ItemGroup.aspx?ig=68851#

also on ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6x-I-GLU-SOLUTION-ADHESIVE-Kids-CRAFT-NEW-200ml-per-bottle-Dries-clear-/111020452465?pt=UK_Crafts_Children_s_Crafts_EH&hash=item19d955aa71
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd second Bob on the PVA.. only used it once or twice but very happy with the ease of use, and the results..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mog wrote:
I'd second Bob on the PVA.. only used it once or twice but very happy with the ease of use, and the results..


After the pva dries, the pva still remain translucid ?

I will have to made a try on a plank
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I start the layout just after I came back from Midland Railex where I have validate during the 2 days of exhibitions that I can have fun with 3 tracks only and a transfer table.

So now I can built my new layout


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today, I make some progress :

- installation of the backdrop

- painting of sea

- Gluing pcb tie


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made some progress during the last 2 days. I install the rail and I begin also the structures.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have finished the wood beam of the pier, paint the pier in white in order to put snow on it. I have also pre stained the building before the red paint.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have practically finish the building. The boat is not finished.




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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a long period of inactivity on the layout, I made some progress on the boat. I need to add few details.








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